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On May 3rd I posted to the ImageFap forums on a subject that I felt very strongly about. ImageFap mod rougefemale edited a thread that I started and did it in such a way that I felt would make it appear to others who might have seen the post after she finished with it that I was a pedophile. The truth of the matter was that it was a difference in opinion on our parts. Unfortunately, when I tried to have an open discussion about her inappropriate behavior she became insulting, rude, and hostile. She has been making the unfounded claim since the beginning of this that it is a fact that I have uploaded underage pictures. She has also been very insulting towards me and has made personal attacks on my character. The final straw is this:
http://www.imagefap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1592
Everybody, please pay close attention to her response to me on this thread before she locked it, barring any meaningful discussion of what is going on:
"since the first part of this post is basically a different topic, i wont delete it but i am locking it for the last part of the post. and if i was trying to shut you up, i would of just deleted the original post. from this point on, i will."
rougefemale had the option of editing my post to remove the part of the post she took issue with but leaving the rest of it open for a meaningful discussion about what is going on here, but she chose to lock out all discussion.
"but one last time. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAT. i dont moderate chat."
Let me lay a scenario on you that is very serious, and very possible:
Because there is no action being taken against the user requesting underage pics, let’s say that user keeps on fishing and gets a bite. Let’s say that bite is an undercover FBI agent who starts trading underage with this guy. All it would take is for the cops to find out that an employee of ImageFap was alerted to this and refused to do anything and all of ImageFap could not only be shut down but the people operating ImageFap could possibly face charges of facilitating child porn!
rougefemale insists on using the excuse that she has nothing to do with chat, she doesn’t know the chat procedures, etc etc, yet, as an ImageFap employee, it is her duty to either do something about it or turn it over to somebody who can if she does not have the ability to. When the cops come knock, knock, knocking on ImageFap’s door they’re not going to take "I didn’t know the procedure" or "I don’t have anything to do with chat" as an excuse. I can only assume she has not turned the information over to anybody who does have anything to do with chat or she would have said so. All I have gotten from her is excuses. Also, if the police see that a mod is ignoring reports of this nature, then what choice do they have but to assume that there must be more of this activity? This now puts every ImageFap mod & admin at risk, every user of ImageFap under scrutiny from law enforcement whether they were behaving illegally or not, and it puts ImageFap as a whole at risk.
What makes this even worse on ImageFap’s part is when they [the authorities] see that an ImageFap user who has been actively reporting underage material on ImageFap is being harrassed and squelched by an employee of ImageFap over the underage issue.
"and if what you said was true about chat, if it was up to me, i would shut it down and get rid of it. you have had your say. several thousand words of it. you are just not getting the response you want."
That’s rougefemale’s solution? Shut chat down and get rid of it? OK, so she gets rid of chat at the expense of the people who are using it for legal purposes, but that still does not address the fact that there are people on ImageFap trying to trade underage. So you’ve taken chat away from them, but they still have the use of the rest of ImageFap to trade their underage pics. What kind of logic is that? That’s the kind of logic that will kill ImageFap in the end. How about banning the people who are trading underage instead of making a token gesture at ridding ImageFap of underage trading at the expense of the legitimate users?
ONE LAST TIME, ENOUGH.
RE-READ the rules about copyright and the forbidden list."
I would now like to quote the first line of Forbidden Content thread:
"The following sites, models and publishers have stated to Imagefap that they have not given permission to post their material."
So who is telling the truth? From what I understand rougefemale is saying she has permission to post galleries that are in the Forbidden Content list, but ImageFap claims that anybody in the list says they have not given permission. So which is it?
"i didnt know the admin was actually sending out messages informing users when action is taken against them. thats new."
Does the ImageFap admin keep the mods in the dark about site policy and procedure? If so, then that is an issue that needs to be addressed. How can the mods effectively perform their duties if they are not informed of changes in policy and procedure?
"as to marking a gallery deletion wrong, it was probably a mouse click mistake. its a pull down box, you make a selection and click the button. whatever is selected in the box is what goes. if your mouse slides off, then whats first on the list is whats in the box. if you didnt realize you selected wrong, it goes as that. and underaged is first in the box. mods cant change it after the fact. if i had to guess what was being flagged, i would say copyright. considering who she is and what not."
When I first brought up the issue of my profile being flagged for review, rougefemale claimed to have nothing to do with that, and to know nothing about it. Now, she suddenly knows that my gallery deletion was a mouse click mistake? She is now speculating that it is a copyright issue? I smell something really fishy here…
rougefemale cannot speak for the mod and/or admin who deleted that gallery unless she is the one who deleted it. Until I hear otherwise from the mod/admin who deleted my gallery, I can only believe that what was sent to my inbox is what was intended to be sent. If it truly was a mistake then I would suggest the mods/admins be much more careful and re-read everything before they click the ‘send’ button to avoid any potential misunderstandings in the future.
As far as it being a copyright issue, to be fair, I have gone back through the Gianna Michaels pictures I posted and I did find that I had inadvertently uploaded some that were in the Forbidden Content list. For that, I take responsibility and have no problem with those pictures being removed. However, there are 113 photos that were in that gallery that are not covered on the Forbidden Content list. Therefore, copyright issues do not justify the deletion of the entire gallery.
The coincidence of rougefemale giving me a board warning claiming that I uploaded pictures of a 12 year old and my profile being flagged for review at the very same time seems just a bit too much of a coincidence for me.
rougefemale has completely ignored the issue of my avatar picture! As far as I can tell there was nothing about my avatar that violated ImageFap policy. As I also pointed out, my avatar is in another user’s gallery, a gallery which is posted on my profile in my favorites. As I asked before, why is it that a picture on my profile violates ImageFap uploading rules in one location, yet the exact same photo is perfectly fine in a second location on my profile? If my profile truly were reviewed, wouldn’t the image have been seen in both places?
Finally, rougefemale has completely ignored the topic of a checks and balances system to protect the users of ImageFap
Having covered rougefemale’s entire response, let me now pose for discussion, one more time, many of the questions I have asked in the course of this exchange on the forums that have been completely ignored by rougefemale:
Why is it that the term "lolita", which by definition does not necessarily mean underage, is being flagged as an illegal search in ImageFap while the terms "jailbait" and "jb" (short for jailbait), terms that by definition explicitly denote underage, are still allowed?
Jailbait: a girl under the age of consent with whom sexual intercourse is unlawful and constitutes statutory rape - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jailbait
Lolita: a precociously seductive girl - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Lolita
Can anybody give a logical explaination as to why I am going to report child porn on ImageFap in an attempt to help keep it "clean" then turn around and [knowingly] post images of children? If I really wanted to post pics of children on ImageFap why would I be making suggestions to the ImageFap powers that be that would make my goal more difficult?
http://www.imagefap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1054
The following questions I’m pointing directly at rougefemale because they have all been ignored from the moment I have asked them and I am dying for the answers:
How can you fairly say the girl I posted is underage based on her looks when you don't believe Ariel Rebel - who looks much younger than the girl I posted – is underage? Can you look at this page from your own website and tell me with a straight face that this girl [Ariel Rebel] does not look like she is 12 years old? http://spamfreeforums.net/rougefemale/viewtopic.php?t=1384
Do you really think you should be held unaccountable for your actions? Do you think there should be no consequence when you do something wrong?
How can you believe it is within your rights to behave in a way that the rules clearly state an ImageFap member can be banned for?
Quote from ImageFap Rules - http://www.imagefap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5
"Discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Those users will be banned"
This is actually a new question, but one that begs to be asked: How can you justify trying to squelch discussion of a topic that affects all ImageFap users when even the ImageFap rules say "Discussion is fine"?
How can you honestly expect anybody to respect you or accept that you are enforcing the rules if you refuse to set the lead?
If you don't know the rules then how can you properly and effectively enforce them?
Another new question, but one that begs to be asked: If you do not know (as you claim) the rules of chat, then why haven’t you passed the matter along to somebody who does and/or tried to educate yourself in those rules by reading and/or asking questions of your fellow mods/admins who do know the rules?
Why is it that it only took you two minutes to act on your personal opinion but you have failed to act on proven facts days later?
Why is there seemingly no clear cut system of checks and balances in place to protect the users of ImageFap from unfounded claims or to give them adequate recourse in the event that they feel they are being unduly harrassed or wrongly accused?
I feel that these questions should be opened up to the ImageFap membership at large, because they concern issues that affect each and every member of this site. To that end, I am posting this in my blog due to rougefemale’s threat to delete any of my future forum threads – thereby preventing an open discussion of these issues.
It is my belief that the only people who fear an open discussion of the issues are the ones who fear losing their power or having their wrongdoings uncovered if the people are allowed to speak. I will let it speak for itself that rougefemale is the only person who has made any threats or attempts to silence my speech and lock down the discussion of the issues I have presented.
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